have one state like california, for example, or new york that has a strong, sensible gun laws, it's farrell easy for people to get guns in states that have weak gun laws and traffic them onto the streets of new york or los angeles or chicago. and that's what we've seen. so we really need strong federal measures. and most gun owners support this. 74% of n.r.a. members support universal background checks. host: have you -- do you talk regularly with the n.r.a.? do you deal where them regularly at all? do you have a dialogue? guest: we are open to have a dialogue with anyone in candor. the n.r.a. is less open in having a dialogue with us and you saw that they for quite some time refused to meet with the president. eventually met with the task force. but there are members of the n.r.a. which i think is more important, the members of the n.r.a. are reaching us out to and we're reaching out to them and those people are law-abiding, responsible gun owners who want the same things that we want and that families across america want. which are safe communities, safe schools. so that's important. beca